"Can anyone recommend a good alternative to EBay?"
You’ve just read the only post guaranteed to get no few replies at the Warrior Forum!
It’s not so much that no other auction sites exist; I’m sure a Google search will bring up plenty, but I doubt most people could name even one without having to think themselves dizzy.
When a company with a strong offering gains a foothold in a new and growing market, they gain momentum and, just like a Juggernaut, become unstoppable once they pass a certain point, often referred to as ‘post critical mass’. In EBay’s day (circa 1995), competition was much more difficult to come by; technology was relatively expensive and development skills harder to find. It’s unsurprising that they experienced little competition and effectively grew under the radar achieving critical mass before anyone truly realised what was happening.
However, things are different today. Technology is cheap, development is even cheaper and more people than ever work for themselves as a main or secondary source of income. So the question is, why is Flippa.com the only credible dedicated website marketplace, in an exponential growth industry with transactions totalling more than $24 Million each year?
Disclaimer: we think Flippa has every right to be the market leader at the moment. The Sitepoint founders have served their time in the industry and are a shining example of young honest entrepreneurs. Flippa does what no one else currently does, serving the information in a clear informative way that makes the process of buying or selling a site easier. However, without competition, we risk putting our livelihood in the hands of one company and that can never be good thing – without competition, markets are shaped and not evolved – look how many years it took to release Microsoft’s stronghold on …well…everything computer related.
Creating a better Site Flipping Marketplace
There are good deals to be found on the ‘independents’ such as Website Broker, Digital Point Forums and Websites for Sale to name a few. (In fact, you could carve a lucrative niche purely out of finding undervalued sites on the less popular marketplaces, and re listing them on Flippa where they currently sell for a slight premium.)
But they are all, in their own respects, missing something that will prevent them from being a serious competitor to the big F, without some time and modification.
Using forum posts, listing comments and our own research we’ve compiled a list that any new marketplace should consider prior to launching.
1) Security
This is the main concern for most buyers and seems to be the prime fault with sites like Digital Point. A new marketplace would need to take measures to assure people that their hard earned dollars are safe from fraud. Arguably, it’s the buyer’s responsibility to make checks before they part with their cash, but a marketplace that adds value should make things as easy as possible for the buyer, and as difficult as possible (e.g. telephone and credit card verification, a better feedback scoring system)
2) Ease of Use
For anyone new to the industry, a dedicated marketplace is the obvious choice, as browsing through forums is a little like visiting a flea market – fun for enthusiasts and nerds but a headache for the rest of the population. Users should be able to
- Browse Listing by Categories, determined by the Site and not tagged by the user (even Flippa is still missing this one)
- Filter and sort their listings to easily remove sites that are not of interest
- Browse listings on the go through mobile sites and possibly Iphone / Android Apps
And whilst looking good should always be secondary to functionality, would it hurt to throw in a slick Ajax interface!?
3) Quality Control
One of the original site for sale marketplaces is EBay, but there’s a good reason why its only mention in this article was to prove a point; for every good listing, you’ll have to wade through 20 or so junk ones, and this is the problem so many of the new marketplaces we’ve not mentioned here fail to address.
Site Flipping is essentially taking something that hasn’t realised its full potential and taking the steps to do so; if it has no potential, it simply shouldn’t be listed.
4) Critical Mass
Without buyers there are no sellers and there are no sellers without buyers. This same conundrum is the reason so many new social networks and forums fail – they never achieve critical mass.
Any new marketplace will need to have a following from day one, or risk entering the ‘forum sandbox’ and never coming out. Building critical mass is never easy but learning from the people who have got it right
- Leverage your existing industry contacts, previous customers or twitter devotees
- Be prepared to spend some money, at least initially, to increase the rate of followers earlier rather than later and gain momentum
- Possibly focus on a niche, for example, a marketplace dedicated to Sites expected to fetch in excess of $5,000, to maximise your chances of gaining passionate followers
So, we eagerly wait to see if any savvy developers take the bait and give Flippa a well needed run for their money.
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As an owner of a marketplace, you make some very good points above.
I signed up as a beta, i think this idea is fantastic and i’m excited to test it out.
Hi Steven,
I wish we’d come across your site earlier, but I’m glad we have now! I’ll be in touch shortly as there’s certainly a few ways we could help other out.
Justin
I thnik flippa are so popular because they have the qualtiy control right.No one wants to wade through pages and pages of crap to find a decent site to buy!
Justin:
Great blog – and great post! It seems I’ve read this before somewhere?? lol. It’s been great getting to know you via email. Sorry it’s taken me so long to stop by your blog. Keep up the great work and I hope the launch of your product is a great success.
Travis
Hey Travis,
Thanks for the support.
Justin
Good post Justin. Bring on the competition!
Hey Luke,
Seeing your comment in the moderation queue was a little like being back in school and talking about the big kid … only to find out he’s standing behind you
On a serious note, it’s good to see a growing company that haven’t lost touch with their roots and still play an active part in the community.
Thanks from all the site flipping addicts and all the best!
Justin
As owner of one of the potential ‘Davids’, I can tell you its not easy. While anyone with a bit of skill (or cash) can build a marketplace with all the possible bells and whistles users could ask for, its reaching critical mass that will make or break the site.
Flippa, thanks to its already existing (and massive) Sitepoint userbase, was always going to quickly be the biggest website marketplace out there, how us ‘davids’ can successfully compete with it is something that has eluded myself at-least for the last 3 years (though I keep trying).
Luke’s bravado is not misplaced, he and his team know that with the strangle hold they already have on the market, and the huge sitepoint userbase always ready to supply more new users every day, it will take someone with either a huge budget, an existing high traffic website in the niche, or a touch of genius (and luck) to be able to go head to head with them, and most likely it will take a combination of all of these.
Thing is, the revenues from running a successful website marketplace, while not chickenfeed, would not most likely justify a massive cash investment to try and take Flippa on.
For my part, I will keep jabbing my tiny sword into the little toe of Goliath, in the hope that one day my jabs will become a real pain in his butt
Phil
Hi Phil,
Good to see you here and look forward to speaking with you further.
Justin
Fascinating…and I agree with all of it. Keep up the good work…I will definitely be back shortly
Hi Bro, I’m from germany and really like your blog. This post was great btw
Ok but I have a question: Next month I will be in your country because of my job (car-trader) and I’m looking for sites like http://site-name-removed.de (a big german classified ad for every stuff) to sell my cars and other stuff local. Do you know some sites like this? I know there is ebay but I need more sites, to have more chances in your country! Thank you and best regards
(in three days I will look for an answer in your blog)
Slightly off topic…but what the heck!
For the UK, Autotrader.co.uk or Gumtree
For the US I guess Craigslist.
All the best.
This is a great post. I have wondered the same myself for sometime as to why there have been no serious challengers to Flippa lately.
I think as you say security and quality control are the biggest problems, once someone can come up with some good ideas in these areas that actually work, most of the battle is will already be one.
Hi Gary,
Thanks for stopping by.
I would also encourage our readers to take a look at your site, namely the reports and research section.
All the best – Justin
Is the classified approach dead? I can’t afford sites like flippa as what they charge I might as well keep the site for 2-3 years but with escrow.com and a classified approach, this way could be cheaper and much simpler. What do you think? or am I just in for a crappy marketplace doing it that way?
Hi Rick,
I think the classified approach works with domains, but where a marketplace has the advantage, especially for selling websites, is that the format of the information is both easier to search and consistent. So, for example, I know that I will always be able to see the age, or the PR and I can filter by this criteria. Overall, the quality of the marketplace doesn’t rely too much on the format – it’s more a case of criteria and security. Allowing people to list only quality TLD domains will mean less crap to sift through and make the site more of a ‘go to’ place for domainers rather than a passing destination.
Escrow.com (IES) has been taking a little grief lately. They are essentially a domain escrow service and don’t adequately cover websites, but that’s a different argument (and possibly the topic of new blog post
) altogether!
All the best
Justin
Wonderful post – I was thinking about an article on a related subject that I need to take a shot at, but from a slightly different angle. Thanks for sharing this with your readers…I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates it.
Very well said. I’ve a target to launch a marketplace in next year, that’s why I’m reading!
Thanks Shabu.
I’d also recommend you follow the recent series we’ve posted on building a marketplace.
All the best.
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